Posted by D on March 27, 2007, 7:41 pm, in reply to "Grafitti"
Response to Graffiti|
I don't want my input on this topic to be taken as a personal attack on Tim or the others who did the "Ditto" to Tim's message but I don't think it is possible to avoid it appearing that way. Suffice it to say that I like all of you and that I ask you take the post as counter points to a point in the interest of discussion which I would like to see continue. We all have so much to learn.
The post is titled Graffiti but says very little about what Graffiti it is referring to. I believe the Graffiti referred to (correct me if I am wrong) was the words "Shame on you Kimsey" which was painted on a road construction sign between La Manzanilla and Melaque. From what I understand the Graffiti was not there very long as it was quickly covered over.
First I think it is kind of chicken that the person who did the Graffiti did not sign their work and take credit for it. Of course that can be corrected by a quick response by them to this post.
Second, doing things like Graffiti, or whining and complaining does nothing to solve the problem. Correct me if I am wrong but the way I understand the problem is that some do not like the high density construction that Mr. Kimsey supposedly plans on building on a beach lot. If Mr. Kimsey (or anyone else for that matter) gets the necessary permits for whatever and wherever they want to build then in my opinion more power to them.
Spraying a sign with the words "shame on you" does nothing. Think about it, look at the way the world is working now. If Mr. Kimsey can get the necessary permits than so can anyone else. If your pathetic Graffiti (and other courses of non action like verbal crap) did happen to shame a builder into compliance with your wishes it would not be long before another builder would take their place. If you want to control construction then do what you can to change the existing laws don't play the babies game of shame on you.
What I do like about the Graffiti is that it puts ones feelings right out there for everyone to see a method I much prefer to what is considered the norm now.
To quote Tim's post
"This is an appeal to those of you out there who are growing weary of the atmosphere of hate & discontent that has plagued this community for the last year".
The last year? This atmosphere of hate and discontent has been in La Manzanilla since I first came here in 93. The issues have changed but that is about all.
"Can we not disagree without name calling, innuendos, destruction of personal property and of late, graffiti on Mexican road signs?"
Good point but what is the alternative?
"No wonder we are at odds with half of the world if we can’t even live with our differences in a place as wonderful as La Manzanilla".
Half the world? I think a check of the most recent poll would put that at about 60% of the world and climbing rapidly.
"We, who are mostly over 40 (at least), are responsible to demonstrate to those coming behind us how to have differences of opinion on issues while still extending respect to each other".
Being the Cynic that I am let me say that I was raised in a Christian home and proceeded to live in the world by the standards I was raised with. When I first got into real estate here in La Manzanilla I was literally blown away by the level of deceit and dishonesty that most of the people of the world operate at and call it "normal". I was completely unprepared for "reality" and have struggled to catch up ever since.
I think that the best thing we can do for the children coming behind us is to teach them in no uncertain terms that they should trust no one. That this is a dog eat dog world which is full of viciousness and murder and to never forget that. We should teach them how to cheat, steal, lie, kill and do whatever it is they need to do to get what they can before someone else does it to them. Of course the tricky part is to teach them that while they live by that creed they must at the same time have the appearance of a law abiding honest, caring, loving citizen and person. At least with that teaching they would be prepared for how things are in the world, not how some wish or pretend it is.
"If our squabbling has ignited the incidents of graffiti, which I can’t believe was done by anyone over 18, then we are responsible".
Putting ones feelings out there for all to see is actually quite stupid. The person who did the Graffiti was obviously raised in some sort of old fashioned culture where they learned to actually show how they really feel. They should learn from some of the good folks in La Manzanilla how to smile and appear civilized while your stabbing your fellow man in the back.
Here is a good example for "those coming behind us" of how it really is although you seldom get the chance to see it. I cite with no names as the purpose is not to demean or identify the person who originated the misinformation but to use what happened as an example for comparison in this discussion.
Recently someone (lets call them "the questioner") came to me (lets call me “the slandered“) and said that they had heard from someone (lets call them the source) that I sent an email to a business establishment saying F You to them, and that they had contacted their lawyers about me.
First I was totally surprised that this person (questioner) was actually confirming information. Did they not know the creed here in La Manzanilla and in the rest of the civilized world that you should never verify information? They obviously did not know that this was "privileged" information, an inside secret warning given specially to them by someone equally special so that they may avoid the perils of working with such a person as the slandered and that neither the information nor the source should ever be reveled, especially to the slandered!
I told the questioner that the information was completely false and I asked them to go back to the source and confirm that they had heard correctly. They did go back to the source! What uncommon nerve this questioner has! I can just imagine the surprise on the face of the source when they learned that the questioner actually had the stupidity to ask the slandered about the validity of the information. Of course once the cover of the source had been blown the source's version of the information changed somewhat but it was too late, the questioner knew they had heard correctly.
How many heard the same information from the source in this example (or countless other examples) and never even thought of asking the slandered if it was true? How many of them turned into mirrors of the source by repeating what they had heard. Misinformation is true viciousness, it is as close to killing someone as you can get without actually sticking a knife directly into their body. With no communication from anyone the only thing the slandered knows is that lots of people are avoiding them, how cruel, how selfish, how mean, how tolerated, how NORMAL!
When you compare Graffiti to slander which one would you like your children to learn? In my opinion it's time to buy some spray paint and get those feelings out where people can deal with them (don't forget to sign your name!)
"Come on folks, we can do better than this"
Yes, we can do better than this. We can communicate the power of misinformation into extinction. We can "get real" when it comes to what is and is not legal and stop harassing those who are not violating the law with useless rhetoric. We can work to make changes that will affect the future of the planet which apply to everyone. And perhaps most importantly we can stop pretending that this is a place of peace and come to grips with the fact that we really don't want peace. If we did we would have it.
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