Some positives for Mexico
Posted by Larry F  on November 21, 2014, 10:21 am
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Posted by Daniel H on November 21, 2014, 11:24 am, in reply to "Some positives for Mexico"
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Posted by Larry F on November 21, 2014, 1:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Some positives for Mexico"
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Quite right Daniel. Statistics can be very subjective. what a Mexican worker on an assembly line is one thing, what an agricultural worker makes is another. What is the average household income in. one of the poorer states?
A local housekeeper in La Manzanilla may earn 50 pesos an hour, but what is hermonthly take home pay?
The positive part is really that there is "potential" for Mexico to do much better.
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Posted by Daniel H on November 21, 2014, 1:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Some positives for Mexico"
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Posted by Daniel H on November 21, 2014, 1:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Some positives for Mexico"
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Posted by Mark S on November 21, 2014, 4:18 pm, in reply to "More positives for Mexico"
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I first came to Mexico in 1965 when I was fifteen. I kept coming, mainly to surf.
You can tell that the middle class is thriving, because of old jalopies on the road is something of the past, Now you get passed on the curves by new Toyotas, as well as well other modern cars.
The government is corrupt, but in LM all is well, if the Delgado or the ejido would fix the streets.
It's Mexico. Adjust.
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Posted by Daniel H on November 21, 2014, 9:09 pm, in reply to "You can see the progress"
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Posted by David Dagoli on November 21, 2014, 9:51 pm, in reply to "Re: You can see the progress"
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Very well said, Daniel. Casual visitors to Mexico may not get a chance to see the poverty. It's real, and it's a crying shame. Many, many people are being left behind, in the exhaust of those new Toyotas driving by...
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Posted by Larry F on November 22, 2014, 9:58 am, in reply to "Re: You can see the progress"
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The original post here was really about the relative health of the Mexican economy, and how this was likely a good thing for the average Mexican over the long term. But counting Toyotas does not hide the fact that poverty continues to be real, not just in Mexico, but all over the world.
Of course poverty is not something shown on a line graph - it is about real people and what they eat, where they live, what education and medical services they have access to. The Mexican government acknowleges that over 50 million people live below the national poverty line, and 11 million live in extreme poverty (you can Google that stat).
The problem with economic growth of course is that it is mainly people in cities that benefit, a fact common to the rest of the world. The average wage in rural Mexico is somewhere around $100, half of the wages in the urnan areas. The problem teally is that the rural and indigenous people don't get access to the new wealth, and little access to basic services like education, medical and social services. We in La Manzanilla are well aware of the state of the schools, the lack of an ambulance, policing, and individuals with critical medical needs. To complain about the state of the streets seems almost absurb.
Need proof? Look at the price of things in the local stores, the farmacia, the gas pumps. Not really much cheaper than home. How do even the better off people here get by? The really sad part is that the gap between the rich and the poor is getting wider. Not just here. Everywhere.
As Mexico's economy grows to be one of the top ten in the world, we can hope that the rural areas get to share in these opportunities.
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Posted by Shane on November 22, 2014, 12:55 pm, in reply to "Observing Progress"
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Here is another observation :
In a hundred years Mexico`s population has gone from 30 million to 140 million . With the Catholic Church teachings against birth control
( breed more Catholics ) and the mindset of " if we have more children we have a better chance of one of them being wealthy enough to look after us in our old age " ..... you can see a problem developing . Same problem that India and China demonstrate. You cannot sustain huge growth rates and not out-grow your resource base eventually.
As world growth rates continue to expand rapidly there will be more wars and fights over resource control in order to live. People will be forced to migrate to where there seems to be resources available for them . They might not always be welcome.
Give a man a fish , you feed him for a day .
Teach a man to fish you feed him for a life time . * Now there are no more fish * is what is starting to happen .
Free Birth Control Pills for the World I SAY !
*** I`m a Genius ***
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Posted by Daniel H on November 22, 2014, 9:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Observing Progress"
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There are those who believe that over population is a myth. In the second century CE
they were saying that over population was a problem. There are those who say you could fit the entire population of the world in Texas (at the density of New York city). As I drive around in Mexico and as I drove around the US I see mostly open space, lots of it. What we need are leaders who look at things from a mind set of abundance and who ignore the program of scarcity that most of us were raised with. It is always a problem till someone shows you its not a problem, the problem is how we are looking at it and even more to the point why we choose to look at it that way.
If I could go back in time and meet Tertullian I would tell him to chill on the over population stuff and open up 
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Posted by Larry F on November 23, 2014, 9:19 am, in reply to "Re: Observing Progress"
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Just because you can see open space doesn't mean you can put more people on it. What is not a myth is that the space people take up often displaces other species through habitat loss. Need for more food results in intensive farming methods, contamination and overuse of fresh water. Natural resources are depleted, and the energy used to create more stuff results in global warming and climate change. Concentrations of people (300 million people in Texas) means more crime, more social problems, more restrictionsn, less freedom.
This is reality - not myth.
Where populations rapidly expand, like in Mexico, economic production, including jobs, cannot keep up with population growth. The results go without saying.
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Posted by Daniel H on November 23, 2014, 1:04 pm, in reply to "Re: Observing Progress"
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"What is not a myth is that the space people take up often displaces other species through habitat loss."
That is changing.
3D printed homes
Eco Friendly Houses
"Need for more food results in intensive farming methods, contamination and overuse of fresh water".
That is changing
http://www.fut-science.com/farming-future-toshibas-clean-factory/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2m6g3z/farming_of_the_future_toshibas_clean_factory_farm/ (good links in this thread)
http://inhabitat.com/solar-powered-floating-greenhouse-is-an-off-grid-solution-to-food-scarcity/
http://www.beezid.com/blog/just-a-day-at-the-farm-er-office
http://www.ted.com/talks/britta_riley_a_garden_in_my_apartment
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/10/20/aquaponics/
http://www.backyardaquaponics.com/forum/
http://www.reddit.com/r/aquaponics
"Concentrations of people (300 million people in Texas) means more crime, more social problems, more restrictionsn, less freedom."
Crime is at an all time low. Understanding concepts like "hurt people hurt people" would lead us to start focusing on the source of social problems vs treating the effect.
"This is reality - not myth".
Tertullian's reality was the world was over populated with 190 million people, we now know that is a myth.
Solutions don't have to be based solely on technology they could come in a change of mind. We have been guided into a resource intensive lifestyle by those who wish to sell stuff. We could come to the conclusion that more stuff and happiness are not related and change directions completely.
Change of mind set could come about other ways as well, one example
We need to recognize scarcity thinking (how we were programmed to think),
"this is this and that is that and there is little to no room for variance".
"With current technology and current mind set this is what we expect to happen".
Those are closed statements, they limit possibilities and propagate scarcity and fear.
We certainly have been wrong in the past, in fact quite consistiently, flat earth, sun revolving around the earth (I could quote several similar examples) and more recently
Abundance thinking would focus on how the ability of people to
find solutions to problems is unlimited and our best resource.
Staying open and saying "this is what we hope will happen,this is what could happen".
Acknowledging unknown unknowns (but not in the context Rumsfeld used it).
It is like we need to have graphs on our hands and we learned how to
painstakingly paint them on. Then one day someone comes along and says
do it like this
Keep the faith.
For more put population in the search box for these subs
http://www.reddit.com/r/ecology
http://www.reddit.com/r/overpopulation
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians
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Posted by mark on November 23, 2014, 1:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Observing Progress"
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Posted by Shane on November 23, 2014, 4:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Observing Progress"
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On Mark`s latest post all I can say is " Holy Toledo "
On Daniels, all I can ask is " at what level does the Earth become overpopulated" ? We are at 6 Billion plus now , give me a number . Or as you optimistically hint we can breed to infinity .
Hmmm .... me thinks you tooooo optimistic .
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