rodeo Posted by george r on December 30, 2014, 9:11 am i have been told by a member of the commitee that there wont be a gringo day this year.a 32 year tradition ended.can this happen.your comments please. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Jane G on December 30, 2014, 11:26 am, in reply to "rodeo" 189.164.206.52 Is there a reason WHY this 32-year tradition is ending? ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by george r on December 30, 2014, 9:31 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" because it takes too much of their retired time what is the mexican community going to think of us ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Dan R on December 31, 2014, 8:20 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 189.164.201.121 When you say "their retired time" I can only assume you're talking about someone not involved. We took the responsibility over from Canadian Dave two years ago when he threw in the towel. Through the generosity of a small group of 12 people that donated $250us each we were able to pull off two years of rodeo with t shirt contests for the kids and donations to several local projects. It was allot of work and expence and we were criticized for using the word 'gringo' on the gringo day tshirts and creating a drunken brawl. As you can see by the number of replies to your complaint, no one really cares. We were left with that old feeling of, no good deed goes unpunished. If you can find a group of hard skinned folks that like a punch in the nose in exchange for hard work we'll gladly hand over the reins. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by george r on December 31, 2014, 8:35 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" pat yourselves on the back for bad planning and overspending you messed up it,s now your job to make it right not try to pass the buck ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Dan R on December 31, 2014, 10:38 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 189.164.201.121 That's funny. As you prove my point. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Baseball Patti on December 31, 2014, 11:04 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 184.144.8.123 Shame on you for such an unkind remark. If it is such an issue for you, then instead of being so judgemental and rude, why don't you step up to the plate, and see if you can do better. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Baseball Patti on December 31, 2014, 11:06 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 184.144.8.123 That was meant for whoever george r. is, not you Dan. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Jim on January 1, 2015, 1:45 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 75.157.150.108 Dan R Thanks for being part of the group that sponsored and organized the Gringo day at the Rodeo for the last two years. I think it is important that we continue to demonstrate to our hosts that we are a responsible and integral component of La Manzanilla. I have never been able to attend the Rodeo but, family members and friends have all given glowing reports. There are "them that do, them that wait for others to do (then complain), and them though unavailable -- who wish to support." I am in the latter category. I proudly display my La Manz tshirts from the last two Rodeos. Please email information as to how I can support the event (organizing, funds, etc) from afar. Jim Taylor ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on December 31, 2014, 11:32 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Funny .... I knew this would happen . Big Shot Organizers who complained constantly regarding Canadian Dave`s efforts are now dropping the ball. Hmmm..... Canadian Dave managed to run this program with help from his buddies for 32 years without 3k in self funding . I think the present committee is showing themselves up to be what was suspected ..... a bunch of lazy loud mouth losers. Just my ignorant opinion of course but, then again , there goes 32 years of tradition . Well Done Big Time Organizers you made it two years . Get Your Shirt Tail Cracking !!! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Jeanne on December 31, 2014, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 189.164.200.143 I think the original question goes unanswered--will there or won't there be a Gringo Day in February? If someone could just post a response that would answer the question and clearly address the needs to make it happen instead of sniping at each other, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it. Thank you! Happy New Year! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Rob Boyes on December 31, 2014, 2:23 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.143.242 I would like to thank the people who have helped keep the rodeo going by organizing a day sponsored by grigos. David did a great job for years and when he asked for someone else to take over, a group of generous , selfless, hard working folks got together and made it happen for another two years. A lot of those folks were the same people who helped David by donating for food and beer, chopping vegetables, cooking, and serving food and selling tickets. It is sometimes a thankless job and has been met with criticism and negativity. Now it's time for some fresh energy to join in . If anyone feels they can add something positive to this situation, here's your chance. Go George! Go Shane! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by David Dagoli on December 31, 2014, 3:27 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.40.103 Unfortunately, the La Manz rodeo has been attracting an unsavoury gang element. We lost our mayor at last year's rodeo... A very nasty story. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on December 31, 2014, 3:51 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Change the Gringo Day model to a party that is sustainable and that is fun enough where people want to be part of the team putting it together . Concentrate on doing that .... never mind with all the crap regarding donating to this cause or donating to that cause . Cut out the goodie goodie socialists who want to give away left over monies that should be saved to pay for next years gringo day. Some years will be good , others not so good . Allow for that ! If buying a cow and chopping it up isn`t economical anymore , and people are getting too old for that type of work ..... buy briskets from Commercial Mexicana (Manzanillo) get 4 times the meat for half the prices and do your beeria with brisket. If you can`t find a band for an affordable price , use a disk jockey with some talent . You know ... make adjustments to cut the work and increase the fun . Hell working on the project we used to have just as much fun than on the gringo day itself . You know what to do ! Vote in a capitalist with a vision ! Go Team ! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by mokita on December 31, 2014, 4:31 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 98.247.30.229 I remember the first rodeo when I was a kid,the bulls and horses,music and booze were in charge. mokita ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Charley on December 31, 2014, 5:28 pm, in reply to "rodeo" methinks that the mexican part of rodeo will still go on.......Rodeo and Ejido day with Dances...but i am not sure of that..... not our decision.. it is after all los dias de la fiesta de La Manzanilla ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by george r on December 31, 2014, 8:52 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" i started this conversation to say that the existing group should put on this years lunch and given time a new person or group could take over for next year. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Kathy B on January 1, 2015, 2:59 pm, in reply to "rodeo" 189.164.239.22 I just feel really bad that this tradition is being "cancelled." I think it is important to show our appreciation to the local community for all they do for us, particularly providing this great escape from our regular lives. I think part of the problem is that new-comers are not taught about what is involved or what is needed. There is a lot of "institutional" knowledge that is not being shared with people who would be willing to do whatever it is that needs to be done. If money is being "lost" every year, maybe people could make an annual commitment to donate whatever the short-fall is. Let's look for solutions rather than fault-finding! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Vicki and Robin on January 1, 2015, 4:11 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 189.164.205.249 Interesting thread. We're so sorry to hear so many people snipping at one another, and so few offering solutions. As part-timers and non-property owners, we have offered to assist, several times. We've been told that this was more for expats, and not part-timers, and we were politely refused. So we stopped asking. There's a little tidbit of history. It seems a shame that the committee decided to stop doing this without giving people a chance to take it over. We would like to see the outgoing committee meet with any interested people, expats and part-timers and see if this can't be resurrected, without finger pointing. It ia what it is, after all. We suspect that this wouldn't even have to be held as part of the rodeo but keep true to the spirit of thanks, and be just an independent Gringo Day without the problems attached with the rodeo. Vicki and Robin ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Daniel H on January 1, 2015, 4:19 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.168.56 Nice post Vicki and Robin. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on January 1, 2015, 4:59 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Good Post Kathy B & Vicky & Robin An Independent Day of Gringo appreciation . Interesting ! Would save on being victimized from the Band and Beer price tags increasing every year at around this time . You could save a fortune with this adjustment. Intuitional Knowledge not being shared . Suggestions : 1. Have tickets printed in the States that will cover say , 5 years . Number in sequence with date space left open for a stamp that can be designed and used for each different year . That will save on a big reoccurring expense . 2. After Christmas buy plastic plates , bowls , cups , napkins ,plastic cutlery when "On Sale" !!! Store the left over supplies for the next year . 3 Who is it that you want to target for thanks ? Restaurant and Shop Owners , Workers , Ejido . Who do you not want to thank .... someone mentioned gang element. Should separate family passes etc. be printed given out and collected at the gate on entry ? Hmmm .... maybe. if too many "outsiders " are taking advantage . The are all kinds of things to do to cut corners and save resources . Plan ahead a get the easy overhead things covered . Then maybe plan for someone driving down to bring a cooler of briskets etc . I remember driving down for Thanksgiving one year with turkeys on ice . Work to make the Day a self sustaining Day so committee members aren`t constantly having to come up with ever increasing cash requests for a program that should be a lot of fun and not a yearly pain in the neck . Good Planning and have some fun !_: smiley(""); ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on January 1, 2015, 6:34 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 One last suggestion : There are a multitude of artist in the community . How about one (or more) whip up a kick ass piece of art work to hold a draw on for those purchasing rodeo tickets . A fishing expedition ? You name it ..... bask in the excitement !!! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Larry F on January 1, 2015, 7:01 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.169.228 I am one of those artists you refer to. We artists do not simply "whip something up". We put a lot of thought and energy into creating a piece of art. A reproduction of art made in China can be whipped up. Every year, myself and a number of other artists in this community donate a piece of art to a good cause in La Manzanilla. The proceeds of these endeavours go to educational programs, scholarships for students, and other programs that promote healthy living. Most artists in town are currently involved in Art Walk, to be held on January 25 th. The proceeds of this event all go to funding valuable fine arts programs for children in La Manzanilla. Shane, can you give me one good reason why I should donate my work to the purchase of beer? I'm assuming by your comments that you will soon be putting forth your name to head a committee to sponsor a "gringo" day at this year's rodeo. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on January 1, 2015, 7:13 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Sorry... didn`t mean to trivialize your work ethic . And I wouldn`t donate my work towards beer either . But I would if it helped me get some great tasting brisket beria !!! Yes Sir ! PS Beria is an art form too . PSS Put my name up for a committee advisor ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by helga on January 1, 2015, 9:55 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 201.138.180.98 Shane, the heavenly stew is called BIRRIA... ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Wally hiemlich on January 1, 2015, 7:29 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 207.216.53.118 Seems to me the first gringo day 34 years ago ,cost about 200 bucks. Canadian Dave, Steve Rutherford, and Alaska joe put the gig together sorry if I missed someone. The idea arose, as most old timers remember, as a thank you to the village for letting us run amuk all winter at said place. Christ, beer was a dime, and you got a nickle back for the bottle. Something like that! There was a wooden sign on the side of the tree covered shady road that said p.o.p 400 as in people! So, times have changed, the old Gang has gotten a bit older,and Mexico has changed, as has the world, machos, So, to end this tale of years gone by I'm wondering who the f... This George r is that started this b.s with his negative and asinine attitude Must be a noob in town?828879 ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on January 1, 2015, 8:57 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Ha Wally ! Happy New Year Man ! Today I have been digging in this big box of Mexico Photo`s going back 25 years and guess what ..... you look a lot younger than you do now .... so do I Have some good years of gringo day preparation photo`s as well as the day itself . Ovens , cow prep , making the beria , the whole deal . Faces from the past .... seems like a life time ago . I`m enjoying the memories this New Year Day. Hope your well amigo ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Wally on January 1, 2015, 10:38 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 207.216.53.118 Well yellow there, brisket boy! I am still alive and well. If nothing more, this gringo day rant brings back a lot of memories of the early years in LaManz.no street lites no tv no telephones, no hamburgers.i to have lots of old time fotos .i just got to finger out how to post them! Carumba! Stay well my friend.o Ya you miss spelt beereya. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Dan R on January 2, 2015, 8:04 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.141.151 I'm glad Shane is part of this conversation, all mouth and no understanding lets you know what the people that actually do the work have to put up with. I was originally asked to make a t design for the rodeo. I was told it had to look like the last years shirt but with a different date. I did six different designs as I'm not good at following instructions, and was immediately told I couldn't use the word 'gringo' on the shirt. Then the guy that asked me to do the design and told me I couldn't use the word Gringo on the shirt came to my door and told me he wasn't going to do the rodeo anymore. The rodeo was kaput. He wasn't going to do it and no one else could. It just wasn't going to happen. Two days after that two lovely ladies came to my door and asked me if I'd do a t shirt design for the rodeo. They'd decided to take on the responsibility. I showed them my designs and they liked them and had no complaints with my using the word 'gringo'. I had sold some paintings and had some folding cash in my pocket so I suggested we get a group of folks to be sponsors. We decided on 250.us as a chunk we could afford. It was tougher than I'd thought. Asking people for money was never my forte but we managed to get 12 people to kick in. 12 people on a rodeo committee you'd think we'd never agree on anything but we did. Then the original guy that didn't want to do it anymore decided he would just advise us on what we could and couldn't do. Use the word gringo on the shirt was # one. Therein started our problems. He went around telling people we were disrespecting our Mexican hosts by using the word on the t's. Insinuating that we'd kicked him out of the committee when he didn't buy in nor even hand over cash he told us he had on hand left over from the previous year. He started telling us the gringo community wasn't going to buy our shirts because we used the G word. Some people didn't. We sold a couple thousand dollars worth of that shirt and had a lovely party and money left over for the next year. The controversy wouldn't end there though, we'd created a us vs them atmosphere over the word Gringo. Some Canadians were saying "we're not Gringos". And stuff like that. Shane, who hasn't been here for years and hasn't contributed a penny to our efforts is the epitome of why we don't want to do it anymore. Put him on the advisory committee. You bet. I no longer wonder why Chino busted a beer bottle over that thick tumor that grows between his ears. My friends have asked me to stay out of this little pie fight but i'd just like everyone to know what the problem is. George will say I'm patting myself on the back so let me pat myself on the back. I'm a professional artist that donated his time and design to the effort, I drove back and forth to the printer 20 times or more and.... Bought a ticket to the rodeo and two t shirts. I got 0.0 dollars for my efforts as did everyone on the committee. We kept books, unlike the previous 30 years. There will soon be another thread with rodeo information, not this stuff. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Pamala/Gregorio on January 2, 2015, 8:22 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 201.138.180.223 Thank you Danny & everyone who has worked so hard on GRINGO DAY.....Great explanation!!!!!! I just wanted to say, Safe travels...see ya for Super Bowl???? ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Daniel H on January 2, 2015, 8:31 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.175.234 It doesn't seem fair to take the help that Shane has for so many years and act like they were nothing, nor does it seem fair to fault him for trying to help now. ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Wally on January 2, 2015, 11:41 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 207.216.53.118 Wow! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Moderator on January 2, 2015, 11:54 am, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.175.234 Wally, you need to put a valid email address. Thanks, Moderator ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by shane on January 2, 2015, 12:33 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 74.192.131.201 Dan R I love the way you spill your heart out man . Your explanation is truly epic ! I have been wondering what`s been going on regarding the Gringo Day Celebration and it seems now some of the inner shocking story is being shaken loose ! One thing has me scratching my tumor though.... if the event is called Gringo Day why would you even entertain a suggestion stating you can`t have a Tee Shirt with the G word on it ? Hmmm... there lies the problem . Where`s Chino when you need him ? He`d sort the wheat from the chaff in short order ! I have found after running fishing derbies for the Kinsman Clubs in Canada and running a Trout derby for the Elk`s Lodge in the US for ten years, you have to be a capitalist dictator . Deliver the VISION .... then be prepared to take over any and every job that your committee fails to deliver on . As a great artist you obviously know that to deliver a great product ...... You must suffer !!! However, it sounds like you have a great committee and have banked a fortune on tee shirt sales . Hope you can suffer again for another year and keep the tradition alive . Good Luck and thanks for the explanation , nothing like airing dirty laundry to clear the air ! ------------------------ Re: rodeo Posted by Terri M. on January 2, 2015, 12:42 pm, in reply to "Re: rodeo" 187.148.141.151 I'd just like to say ... I WISH ALL THIS SNIPING WOULD STOP!!!!! ------------------------      « Back to index 1282 Post a Response