Nasty Cold
Posted by Larry F  on January 15, 2015, 6:39 pm
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There is a very nasty cold going around. My wife has it and says it it is worst of her life. Anybody out there found anything to help relieve the suffering from this?
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Posted by Daniel H on January 15, 2015, 8:48 pm, in reply to "Nasty Cold"
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I had one of my worst days today of a cold that has come and gone a few times
with the most recent episode starting about 2 days ago. Remedies depend on who
you talk to, everyone has an opinion recommending something that either worked
for them or a friend. The remedies are so varied that I tend to think they
are all placebos with cures rooted in credibility and features. Shots better
than capsules better than tablets etc.
Wikipedia has lots on colds, the more severe of which are influenza, which
seems to be what we are dealing with here. One paragraph really jumped out.
Antibiotics and antivirals
Antibiotics have no effect against viral infections and thus have no effect
against the viruses that cause the common cold.[65] Due to their side effects,
antibiotics cause overall harm, but are still frequently prescribed.[65][66]
Some of the reasons that antibiotics are so commonly prescribed include
people's expectations for them, physician's' desire to help, and the difficulty
in excluding complications that may be amenable to antibiotics.[67] There are
no effective antiviral drugs for the common cold even though some preliminary
research has shown benefits.[50][68]
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One thing is for sure, there is very little to nothing being done to
prevent the spread of these colds from person to person. I see people working
at stores sneeze into their hand then hand me my change just for one example.
In one of the articles below I was surprised to read that you have to wash
your hands for at least 15 seconds for it to be effective. I wash my hands
a lot, usually with antibacterial soap, but I don't spend that much time.
Here are a couple of other articles I found in the brief time I worked on this.
Can liquor be used as an emergency antiseptic?
Flu prevention advice nothing to sneeze at
Does Wearing a Mask Prevent the Flu?
Vitamin D Proven More Effective Than Both Anti-Viral Drugs and Vaccines at Preventing the Flu
The article below blew me away when I read it this morning! There is so
much information at our fingertips and we are learning that doctors
don't necessarily know it all.
Man Saves Wife’s Sight by 3D Printing Her Tumor
http://makezine.com/magazine/hands-on-health-care/
http://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/2seh2w/man_saves_wifes_sight_by_3d_printing_her_brain/
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Posted by David Dagoli on January 15, 2015, 9:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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We use a local Mexican remedy that gives you the energy needed to defeat a cold. It's a tea made from the flowers of the Teresita plant. Some call it Penicilina Mexicana.
Use only the pink flowers. Gently boil 8 - 10 flowers in 2 cups of water, until the water turns green and all colour is out of flowers. Drink a full cup of the tea, warm to hot.
We have had the tea many times over the years, and found that it helps give energy and shorten the cold's duration.
Teresita plants grow wild all over La Manzanilla.
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Posted by Daniel H on January 16, 2015, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Posted by Larry F on January 16, 2015, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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I swear by zinc above all others. It does seem to work, but only at the first sign of a cold. Once you get a cold, nothing can make it go away, except rest and time. The best treatment seems to be to focus on things that make you feel less miserable. A friend suggested fresh ginger tea, so I'm going to try that.
Watch out for antibiotics. They treat bacterial infections, not viral ones, like colds and flu. I read that used in treatment of viral infections can cause harm. And of course, overuse of antibiotics is not a good idea.
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Posted by David Dagoli on January 16, 2015, 11:40 am, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Posted by Larry F on January 16, 2015, 11:46 am, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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David, can you send me a closeup photo. I need to scout my own garden and other places for this plant. Thanks.
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Posted by Debra on January 16, 2015, 12:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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are you sure that plant is not Oleander? it looks like it to me. if so it's poison.
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Posted by Daniel H on January 16, 2015, 12:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Posted by Jeanne on January 16, 2015, 1:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Forgot to mention--the teresita is not oleander--flowers look similar but the plant is totally different. And given the fact that David and Debbie drink this tea regularly and both are still alive, I'd say it's not poison. I drank the tea last year to help with a nasty sinus infection. It didn't help me in that case, but I'll bet it's helped many others. There is a wealth of leaves and flowers and herbs available in this area that help us maintain or regain good health. We need to learn about them!
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------------------------Learning about Vinca
Posted by Daniel H on January 16, 2015, 4:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Ok, let's give it a shot and see if we can learn something.
Dave's link Vinca
Family: Apocynaceae
Genus: Vinca
http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4dmg/Whats/vinca2.htm#WHAT%27S%20IN%20A%20NAME?WHAT'S IN A NAME?
HISTORY, PAST AND PRESENT
Gardeners and herbalists cultivated vinca for centuries in Europe, India, China, and America. In Europe and elsewhere it was used, along with its cousins, to treat all kinds of diseases, from coughs and sore throats to eye and lung infections. Most interesting was its folk use in treating diabetes. In the 20th century, researchers discovered the plant contains dozens of alkaloids: some of them lower blood sugar levels (providing folk remedies with scientific provenance) and blood pressure. In the 1950's, they discovered two alkaloids that are the source of anticancer drugs.
So we want the Catharanthus
Family: Apocynaceae
Genus: Catharanthus
Catharanthus roseus, known formerly as Vinca rosea, is a main source of vinca alkaloids, now sometimes called catharanthus alkaloids. There are about 130 of these compounds, including vinblastine, a common drug used to treat cancers
Vinca alkaloid
Most refrences to the vinca alkaloid are about cancer (small wonder it can kick the shit out of a cold).
http://flipper.diff.org/app/items/info/3506
I put Vinca for flu into Google, got an article about flu vacine curing heart disease and the words Vinca institute WTF.
I haven't found it yet but Vinca is most likely already being used as a flu vacine. Is this Vinca stuff magic or something? I am going to stop for now and continue the search for Vinca as a medicine a bit later. Feel free to help.
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Posted by Daniel H on January 16, 2015, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Learning about Vinca"
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Posted by Daniel H on January 17, 2015, 4:40 am, in reply to "Re: Learning about Vinca"
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More - be sure to read last link
I put Catharanthus roseus into the PMC search box and got a lot of hits
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Catharanthus+roseus
I put - medicine Catharanthus roseus - into Google
I put C. roseus into Google and checked not only articles but videos and images.
In the link Whats in a Name (last post) It says "All vinca flowers are simple: they are single, never double". The plants Dave and Debby posted are not single flowers nor are many of the images for Catharanthus roseus, so I don't know if it matters medicine wise.
One photo titled Madagascar periwinkle (Catharanthus roseus) shows a woman picking plants with single flowers.
Rosy Periwinkle (biopiracy)
People, Plants and Profits
I switched search terms to Rosy Periwinkle
Rosy periwinkle: A life saving plant
In Italy the rosy periwinkle was traditionally referred to as the “Flower of Death.” This is due to the extreme toxicity of the flower and the whole plant. While rosy periwinkle is a valuable medicine, it is also extremely poisonous. Consumption of the plant, other than in small amounts, can be fatal.
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Posted by Jo Anna on January 17, 2015, 5:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
Monday evening, I decided to take oil of oregano and vitamin D as I felt a bit of a cold coming on; by Tuesday morning, I was slammed. Wed was much worse, temp up to 102.7, nose running, deep dreadful cough, total body aching. Could barely get out of bed. Did not eat a morsel for four days, took only sips of water and a little ginger tea.
I, too, am a proponent of natural approaches to health, but there comes a time, and last night was the time. I called on our new doctor, Dra. Gaby, who gave me the shot in the fanny (with more to come--shots, that is, not fanny) and four prescriptions. My only regret is that I did not take this action on Wednesday.
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Posted by Jeanne on January 16, 2015, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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I was taught to sing the "Happy Birthday" song while washing. Song over? Time to stop washing!
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Posted by helga on January 16, 2015, 1:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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The Teresita works and the purple leaves of the bougainvillea (yes, purple only). I tried both.
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Posted by David Dagoli on January 16, 2015, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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We have both Teresita and Oleander (in Spanish Laurel)in our garden.
Oleander is a tall bush with long slender leaves. Teresita is a shorter stemmed plant that can grow singly or in a group. It has very oblong, rounded leaves.
You often see Teresita growing by the side of the road or in improbable cracks in pavement. It's very much a wild flower around here.
Ask the Mexicans around here: it works.
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Posted by valerie :)* on January 16, 2015, 5:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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Just a note: ALL PARTS of the Oleander are toxic (poisonous) to humans and animals - so don't confuse them!
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Posted by David Dagoli on January 16, 2015, 6:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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It's very easy to tell them apart, the flowers of oleander are tubular, the flowers of Teresita are flat like a four leaf clover. The leaves of Oleamder are silverish; Teresita leaves are very green and the plant is very short.
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Posted by nansee on January 16, 2015, 8:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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The teresita looks very much like impatiens, with a very similar leaf and flower, but this variety can handle full sun while its northern look-alike is a shade plant.
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Posted by Daniel H on January 17, 2015, 9:03 am, in reply to "Re: Nasty Cold"
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I put this at the end of my post above but I am also putting it here
as it is very important to know.
Nerium oleander
Family: Apocynaceae
Subfamily: Apocynoideae
Tribe: Wrightieae
Genus: Nerium
Species: N. oleander
Vinca
Family: Apocynaceae
Genus: Vinca
These are both posionious
Rosy periwinkle: A life saving plant
In Italy the rosy periwinkle was traditionally referred to as the “Flower of Death.” This is due to the extreme toxicity of the flower and the whole plant. While rosy periwinkle is a valuable medicine, it is also extremely poisonous. Consumption of the plant, other than in small amounts, can be fatal.
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Posted by David Dagoli on January 17, 2015, 10:19 am, in reply to "Teresita is posionious"
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These are not the same plants. The 'vinca' you posted is the common blue periwinkle that grows in our gardens in el Norte. The 'nerium oleander' is also a completely different genus.
The closest plant you posted its the rosy periwinkle, but it is still not the plant that grows here.
That is the trouble with identifying it as simply 'vinca'. It requires a more exact taxonomy.
The Teresita has a single flower, not double petals. The petals of the flower are separate, not overlapped petals like the 'rosy periwinkle' has.
The Mexicans around here say Teresita has been used since mesoamerican times; it is definitely not poisonous.
Another photo of the plant from our garden
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Posted by Daniel H on January 18, 2015, 9:58 am, in reply to "Re: Teresita is posionious"
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Yes, I was unknowingly going back and forth between http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4dmg/Whats/vinca2.htm#WHAT%27S%20IN%20A%20NAME?Vinca and Catharanthus,
the latter is what we are working with. I picked a dosey to learn on 
Searching Teresita is not the easiest. It is one of the common names
for Catharanthus. Even though it has been in Mexico for a long time
it originated in Madagascar.
Google search - teresita flor
Vicaria, Vinca de Madagascar (Catharanthus Roseus)
Otros nombres científicos: Lochnera rosea, vinca rosea. Algunos nombres comunes:
Teresita, Bígaro, Micaria, Vinca de Madagascar, Vinca Rosa; inglés: Periwinkle,
Old Maid, Rosy Periwinkle, Cape Periwinkle.
Many of the pages I read say something similar to the quote below, only a
couple stated it in terms like the Fox News article. Many also said it is
bad news for dogs.
"Sin embargo, se recomienda emplear esta planta con gran precaución,
si es posible bajo la asesoría de alguien experimentado en su
empleo, ya que posee sustancias que pueden ser tóxicas tanto para
las células malignas como para las células sanas del organismo."
"However, it is recommended to use this plant with great caution,
if possible under the guidance of someone experienced in its use,
since it has substances that can be toxic to both malignant cells to healthy
cells in the body."
Here are some other links
teresita
is catharanthus roseus poisonous?
Ethnobotany - Plant Taxonomy Chichirica (Catharanthus roseus)
Genus Catharanthus
Catharanthus roseus,The Madagascar Periwinkle
Catharanthus roseus mexico
catharanthus roseus taxonomy
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