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To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Rick on March 31, 2014, 8:38 pm

Jean,

Amen. I loving having, and seeing you time honored Colorado pragmatism. Did you witness this? Exactly? I did see, or I should say I did not see any response to your post. Hummm indeed.

To add to your inquiry, one might be tempted to delve into the following . . .

#1. Your question goes first. It is the best.

#2. I lived right next to the said Mexican woman with said babies for 2 years. I can tell you for a fact, Jack, that she utters not a single solitary word in English.

#3. I have have been witness to several occasions where the said Patrona of said Mexican woman has asked both I, my wife and my son to provide English/Spanish translation services so that these 2 said persons could communicate. Thus, said Patrona of said Mexican woman utters nary a unitary, coherent set of 2 sentences in Spanish. That I can tell you FOR SURE.

#4. Given this, one might wonder how such detail over said event was gleaned with such full depth of understanding so as to launch into this dire warning on the LM Message Board.

#5. If said event did occur, and giving the benefit of the doubt to the said Mexican woman, would it not stand to reason that given that said Mexican woman is the mother of these children, it would seem a bit odd that she did not first reach out to a Mexican legal entity, namely the Police, for assistance and protection of the children, post haste if not faster.

#6. In addition, if said event did occur, again let's say it did, then it might also stand to reason that the said Patrona of said Mexican woman would also follow the path of utilizing the legal system to address this issue. Afterall, said Mexican woman was able to meet with a governing official when she just recently came to LM so as to be given official, documented (she showed us the paper) permission to supplicate. Therefore, one would have to reason that availing oneself of such social services is not foreign to either of them.

#7. I know for a fact what happened and I need not utter it here.

#8. When one speaks or writes, one should understand that their musings, passages or prose might have to stand up to: What I said. What I thought I said. What you thought I said. And when you couple that with all of us, who saw this post, well, we have to think: What I heard. What I thought I heard. What you thought I heard. Draw all the permeatations between those six nuances and you can see how this sort of 'chicken little' approach could easily warp into something far beyond what it really is. And that is what has happened.

Just sayin'!

Thanks for prompting me to stand with you and shake my head at this.

Rick

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by akbarb on March 31, 2014, 9:04 pm, in reply to "To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Oh MY goodness, Rick.....I TOTALLY need a "Like" button right here!!

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Pamala/Gregorio on April 1, 2014, 9:57 am, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Thank you Rick!!!! Need we say more?

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by David Dagoli on April 1, 2014, 4:28 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Claro qué sí!

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Jean on April 2, 2014, 10:31 am, in reply to "To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Hey Rick, thanks for posting. I thought things should simma and see what kind-o-stew comes outta the pot. Seems from looking at the blue page, the stew stinks, and should be thrown out. One thing I couldn't understand, is..if what was posted was true, wouldn't the victim go to the police instead of looking for a house to rent?? I dunno..I probably would, but what the hell do I know??
Well, I guess I am feeling a bit better now, am gonna let Baby Frank out of his cage, some day I will post a picture of the cute bugger...
See you at tea!!

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Justin R. Sol on April 2, 2014, 10:56 am, in reply to "To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Clearly appears to be a case of Histrionic personality disorder . . . .

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by tonio on April 2, 2014, 8:14 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

meranda es a desorder

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by helga on April 3, 2014, 11:21 am, in reply to "To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Rick you know best. Love, love, love it!

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Mike on April 3, 2014, 11:42 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

No, Rick does NOT know best. He was NOT there and he does not "know for a fact" what happened. And his coy little "I need not utter it here" is just so much BS - and prompts the question "why not?" Is he trying to hide something??

His description of Myranda's Spanish language ability, and Angelica's English, might have been true three years(!) ago, but it certainly is not true today. The two of them understand each other well enough, I think. Myranda WAS there and her report of what happened is accurate. She is neither stupid nor a liar.

There was a time, back in the eighteenth century, when publicly insulting a man's wife would have meant pistols at dawn, ten paces, turn and fire. In these more enlightened(!) times we have the Internet, so I'm giving him the option of a public apology.

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Rick on April 4, 2014, 12:30 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

First of all Mike, with the ease of any simple software, you can word search my dissertation and you will find neither 'stupid' nor 'liar'. Look it up. For someone who I thought was of Celtic heritage, could be wrong, and extrapolating that supposition to perhaps infer that you would have availed yourself of the works of some of the great literary talents of our time (Oscar Wilde, James Joyce, Samuel Beckett, George B. Shaw) you might have read/understood more the literary point of my post. That being that;
We live in a fairly secure, peaceful, community that is tight knit, harmonious and tranquil. At least that is how I see/perceive it. When I read the original post, I did not immediately reach a conclusion that the person who posted it was stupid or a liar. I went right to the source for the other party in question in this whole event and since you have a little trouble figuring that out, it was not you, not your wife, not the mother, not any of the mother's children. You clear on who that might be at this point?
So, I was able to, with the highest level of certainty, understand that this event was as many others have deduced, a misunderstanding and was nothing close to what was claimed on the original post.
When I then re-examined the original post, I needed not delve beyond the headline, which seemed like a clarion call for each and every person in La Manzanilla, dogs and cats included to turn an ear to this post that warns us of baby trafficking. That is a HUGE claim. Digging into it more, I shook my head at the term "Mexican-America man". My head shaking was because I knew who this person was. See also my description of L.M. above. I, and nearly anyone else you wish to speak with (go ahead, try it) in this town knows who this individual is. If nothing else, he is not American. I'd be totally surprised if any of you did not know who he is as well. Perhaps I am holding you to a standard that evades you.
Moving on. I shook my head at the use of the phrase, "He told her he would be back with his wife so she could look the baby over!" I was thinking again, hummmm, something is getting lost in translation (no pun intended) here. He has no wife.
From there, as I read the rest of the original post, it then leads all of us on a wild string of speculation, conjecture and "over the top" histrionics. "It was happening . . . ", ". . .what purpose this man has in mind for Jade . . . ", ". . . is kidnapping his next move?". Go ahead, again look it up Mike.
Here, in this place, our village, your village, this sort of blow hard conjecture and seemingly outright conviction that malfeasance was in the process of occurring, when it wasn't, was something that I was going to take a stand against. This was not the way to go about it.
So I set out to say that given A, B, C, D, E . . . . I found it very odd for you folks to set us off this way, alarming us to this event that actually had not occurred in the manner that was portrayed, and have actually traumatized the other protagonist. You did. I then made it clear that given the inability to reach across language barriers, and all that I stated, it would be easy to show how this got run off the rails. In so many words, you yelled "Fire" in a crowded theatre. We demand protection from this sort of histrionics because it is harmful and shameful. You know full well that you should/could have availed yourself of protection from the police. You chose otherwise. You know full well that there are avenues that are better suited to a solution to the problem, as you saw it. You saw otherwise. My intent was to show you that the first thing to do is to NOT simply decide to "Ready, Fire, Aim".
Now, just take a pill, lay down, relax, take a nap and please do not dream that I am going to make a public, private or any other type of apology for engaging in calm, sane, logical dialogue in a public forum. No insult was put forth, you know that and if you don't believe that, you are again, not getting the point.
Pistols? Mike, really. Darkness can't be overcome by more or darker darkness, only with light. Let's all stand in the cleansing light of the truth here and you have a nice summer in Canada.

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by Justin R. Sol on April 4, 2014, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

When you have a drama queen, you get drama. Like I said before . . its called Histrionic personality disorder.
Looks like it runs in the family!

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by shane on April 7, 2014, 12:24 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

Histrionic personality disorder !?
I tell ya ..... I`m never bored reading the board .

Better still..... somebody kidnap me back down to la Manz for a couple of months . Taking cruises are getting thin.

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Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby

Posted by terry on April 7, 2014, 12:55 pm, in reply to "Re: To Jean - Re: Buying a Baby"

un called for shane people are folks some different than others, all of us struggling through life TOGETHER

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