ATM La Manz.
Posted by andre  on October 21, 2014, 11:51 am
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having a a.t.m. in la manz, will have me spend more money in la manz when we were in Boca last winter ; grocery, restaurant , market etc. were most made in Melaque at the same time as we get the pesos at the bank, so we wish that next time an a.t.m. will be available because most of the product we bought in Melaque are in La Manz tambien.Not that we dont like Melaque but La Manz is closer and plus we dont need to get as much pesos at once( secure), if there is a a.t.m.
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Posted by cruz on October 21, 2014, 11:58 am, in reply to "ATM La Manz."
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Hola, Andre. I just spoke with Perla at Caja Solidaria. She says the ATM is in the works for November. Anyone can use it. People with accounts in CAJA will be given a debit card to use. So far good news. Cruz
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Posted by cruz on October 21, 2014, 12:01 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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PS: Access to the ATM will be outside CAJA.
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Posted by patti on October 21, 2014, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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how hard is it to go to Melaque,,,do your banking,,buy a few things our town might not provide, and return with your dinero, and spend it here,,, not having an atm at ones disposle,, doesn't seem to be a problem for most who live here, weeds out the weak, maybe we don't have a bank,a gas station, a post office,,,, if you want all that,,maybe living in melaque is a better option for those who need those things, sorry , just my opinion,,, this puebla is great the way it is,,, maybe i am not alone in my thoughts.
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Posted by Dawna on October 21, 2014, 6:35 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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For me the bus ride to Melaque for cash is part of the great adventure…Hook up with friends take the ride singing and laughing all the way…Even the "No peso today come back tomorrow" didn't seem to bother me. Just plan ahead. Perhaps if you lived there full time it would be different. See you in Jan.
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Posted by andre on October 21, 2014, 7:26 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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part of mi demand is in regard mainley in 2 things for a a.t.m.
not having to cary lots of pesos with me
spend most of my money in Boca and La Manz.
and dont worry i love to visit Melaque and other area around, i love the quietness of Boca and La Manz. point final lol!
yo no deseo cambiar nada......
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Posted by Lynne on October 21, 2014, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."|
If you lived in La Manzanilla full time, worked full time, had no car and couldn't get over to the ATM in Melaque via the bus in an emergency, you would very much appreciate an ATM machine here in town. A post office and gas station aren't necessary, but easy access to cash in a cash economy would make a lot of people's lives a whole lot easier. Not everyone here is retired or on vacation.
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Posted by cruz on October 22, 2014, 11:50 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Hola. Can't agree with everyone more. Who knows what effect an ATM may have on our little hamlet.
But it may be nice to have the choice or convenience. One can always take the lovely bus ride into Melaque, Barra or even Cihuatlan. I love the bump, bump and sometimes chanteuse that gets on to entertains us. The bus service here in Mexico is great once you get the hang of it. Cruz 
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Posted by JEAN on October 22, 2014, 2:01 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Probably bring in more thieves to OUR Little Hamlet. Next you know Pemex,oxxo,kiosko,bodega
Hope it ATM doesn't happen
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Posted by Norma on October 22, 2014, 2:24 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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I agree with Jean. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it will bring more crime.
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Posted by Mikey on October 22, 2014, 4:01 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Didn't we once have one yearsssss ago and it was stolen??? I am with Jean & Norma on this. I can just see someone standing at the outside ATM getting cash, and some thugs come along, stick a gun/knife/fists in your face demanding your money...and your ATM card. Then what do you do for cash??? Phone home ET??? 
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Posted by Judy B on October 22, 2014, 4:19 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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I agree with those who don't want a machine in the Village as nice it would be. I agree that it will just bring problems.
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Posted by Baseball Patti on October 22, 2014, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Please note that I didn't put the response up on the message board.
Anything I post is always signed Baseball Patti.
Thanks
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Posted by Moderator on October 22, 2014, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Hi Baseball Patti,
Sorry, I didn't notice that the other Patti posted without an email address,
I should have called her on that.
Moderator
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Posted by Scott on October 22, 2014, 5:18 pm, in reply to "ATM La Manz."
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Yes, we all long for the days before progress came to la Manz, but the day we choose when la Manz got too big is usually the day after we moved here. Progress is going to happen and if you are an ex-pat that lives here, some of that progress and change is because of you. Similar lamenting happened in the 1980's & early 1990's when ex-pats started to build in the Campo, in the early 2000's when the lagoon road was paved and those lots sold off, and just a few years ago when the main streets were paved. Yet life goes on and usually for the better. A new cash machine will help some and maybe have some issues, but trying to stop progress because it might change the character of the area is just pretending that we all didn't cause the same feeling at sometime in the past when we moved here and built our houses. A new ATM is a very minor change in the community compared to what all of us ex-pats have done with our building projects.
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Posted by Jo Anna on October 22, 2014, 5:23 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
While understanding that 'progress' will take place, I'm one of those who tends to resist it, perhaps on the grounds that resisting just might slow things down.
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Posted by Rob Boyes on October 22, 2014, 6:01 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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O K , I'm going to blab my humble opinion here.... I think it's up to the Mexican citizens and business people to decide. They know about crime and charm and all the factors. Whether you are an expat living there full time , or a snowbird that has spent 5 months a year for many years, we are guests there. Thank goodness we can air our opinions, but resisting or insisting on change is not up to us. I think.. I sure am looking forward to being there.The weather here has been dark and wet here.
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Posted by andre on October 22, 2014, 6:14 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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wow ! i never tough that this subject will " declancher les passions " but anyway to feed the post.... lol about security...
did last winter some people have been road attack after getting cash in Melaque .....on their way back to La Manz .....?
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Posted by Kim on October 22, 2014, 6:19 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Rob is right about us being guest even if you live there all the time.
Is does seem like it would bring in more crime and people would need to be careful about getting money out while possibly being watched and followed. I guess it will be up to the individual if you want to use the ATM or go into Melaque.
We moved to a quite little VT. town that had nothing except a store and gas station but soon to follow was the street lights/restaurants/Post Office etc... and all the people that moved there because it was a quite little town BUT they still wanted what they left in the city!!!
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Posted by Pablo on October 22, 2014, 8:36 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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I have to agree with Scott's sensible assessment. Even with all the enormous changes I've seen since my first visit over 30 years ago, I cannot believe how little the true "flavour" of LM has changed, i.e. the same amazing friendly people and mostly empathetic "hueros".
And although I wouldn't want to think that a potential ATM should be regarded like The Borg ("Resistance is futile!"), I think its' benefits will outweigh any perceived threats to the way of life in LM. Does anybody really want to go back to the days when there was no internet (egads!!), no police, no doctor, dirt streets, no mosquito control for dengue, no Pedros tacos!? Not all progress is bad... And while it may be sort of typical and makes for an engaging anecdote of LM life, nobody really likes the frustration when you do need cash and the ATM in Melaque is being "irritable", shall we say. Evidence the many posts here over the years about that often unreliable machine. Even though I understand all too well that "patience is a virtue" that is best kept in mind while in México.
I also agree with Rob, Kim and others that it's LM that decides it's path. And why not have the choice to use it or not? Even with an ATM, I would still plan to go over to Melaque sometimes for the slightly bigger choice in food shopping, a tasty lunch somewhere and because it's a fun little adventure on the bus and it's also well... "something to do". As for it causing more crime, is that always what happens when an ATM is installed or just a worry of what could happen? Location for the ATM will be key and there are obvious ways to reduce the threat.
This is a good debate.... thanks andre, troublemaker! 8-)
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Posted by bill on October 22, 2014, 8:59 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Is the pressure or perhaps the desire for an ATM coming from the gringo community or the Mexicain community or possibly the buisness folks? .....Just askin......
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Posted by Daniel H on October 22, 2014, 9:37 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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While it is a worthwhile topic to discuss the pros and cons of an ATM machine
from a cultural effect standpoint I think there is a practical side that may
need more consideration. With all the problems getting cash at Banamex
it would seem someone would have come up with an alternative machine in Melaque.
But they haven't and I think the reason may be security, i.e. Banamex is the
only one who can sufficiently provide it.
About 10 20 years ago there was no Banamex in La Huerta as every time they put
a bank there it got robbed, despite being in such close proximation to the police
station. Not talking about a bank machine, just a bank.
There must be a good reason that someone has not stepped up to fill the void
for a reliable / working bank machine in Melaque and Barra and I think that
reason would apply in spades to La Manz.
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Posted by Vicki and Robin on October 23, 2014, 3:25 am, in reply to "ATM La Manz."
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Just wondering what the sentiment is in the local Mexican community about the ATM.
Vicki
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Posted by David on October 23, 2014, 8:26 am, in reply to "ATM La Manz."
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"ATM" STANDS FOR "AUTOMATED TOURIST MACHINE"
VOTE "NO"
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Posted by Craig Bell on October 23, 2014, 11:08 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Posted by Criss on October 23, 2014, 11:11 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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With all the pro's and con's about a ATM in L.M. no one has said anything about the Cost. I have yet to use a ATM other then my own banks that didn't cost me money to use it. Also most stand alone ATM's run out of money very fast unless they are checked often. Also I think the exchange rate would be some what lower then if you got your money some other place. Just saying
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Posted by Lynne on October 23, 2014, 11:16 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."|
You would only call this proposed machine an Automated Tourist Machine if you are a tourist or other sort of part-timer. I need to take the whole afternoon off work today just to take the bus to Melaque to get cash at the Banamex machine...and then take the bus back with a whole lot of cash on me. I'd feel a lot safer getting cash here in La Manz a few blocks from my house, and I wouldn't need to repeatedly waste a whole lot of time, all year around, crossing the mountain for this one silly errand. The bus can be a "joyride," but not if time is short and you've got nothing else to do in Melaque. If you lived here all year, you would already know what the majority of Mexican residents think about this issue.
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Posted by Jane G on October 23, 2014, 11:50 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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What do the locals think about having an ATM in town? I live here year 'round and don't have a clue re: their opinion. A majority of them probably don't even have bank accounts, much less ATM cards.
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Posted by Lynne on October 23, 2014, 12:17 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."|
When I go to the Melaque Banamex ATM machine in the off-season, I'm the only gringa in line, meaning that everyone else waiting to use it is a Mexican with an ATM card. The majority of Mexicans in La Manz depend in one way or another on tourist/part-timer $$ in the high season for their livelihood; if people get there cash here, they are more likely to spend it here. Of course, the security of both the ATM machine and its users is a legitimate concern.
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Posted by David on October 23, 2014, 1:54 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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  Legitimate concern?
"They" or "Someone Else" could be ,might be probably , "watching" "you" "leave" "The" $$$$ "Machine".....with "Dough"-"Ray"-"Me"? Legitimate Concern/s?
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Posted by Sherri on October 23, 2014, 4:39 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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As I sit here on the computer, watching the gardener outside on his cell phone, I'm thinking I might watch CNN on the television tonight, to catch up on the news. Meanwhile, I'm thinking....an ATM in our remote jungle village????? What!
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Posted by andre on October 23, 2014, 7:20 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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buenas noche a todos,
for sure this subject is on fire but let me tel you guys if i will be the owner of a tienda in La Manz, i will offer this service and make a few pesos out of it and at the same time give the oportunity to others commercants and people to take adventage of it.
i guess that one day or the other there will be one a.t.m.,that wont make La Manz less attractive to people that dont like to be in the crowd to much, there is a lot of those places for those who like kind of all inclusive and so.
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Posted by Pablo on October 23, 2014, 8:29 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Craig... your comment is as hilarious as it is poignant. Dirty Dancing!! I'm still chuckling here... And Sherri sums it up well with a similar wry anecdote of life as it is today in LM (really good one, Sherri!!). A little humour in debates never hurts...
And I think Lynne makes really excellent arguments about the advantages of an ATM in LM for locals and full-time ex-pats. As I mentioned in an earlier post, not all "progress" is bad. And much as I like to almost proudly proclaim to people about LM, "...not even an ATM in town and very few if any take credit cards"... to demonstrate just how far removed it is from the standard tourist meccas that abound, I don't mind changing up my boasting of the place if, instead I have to say sometime in the near future like, "... the village has only got one ATM, can you believe it!?"
Honestly, I think the true heart of LM will remain much the same for many years even with another modern contraption in town. Next people are going to want to run Felipe out of town! Down with the internet!! (oh... I guess it is "down" a lot for some anyways... LOL)
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Posted by Norma on October 23, 2014, 8:52 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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It's the criminal aspect that is of concern to me, Pablo. I seriously do think it would put folks who use it in danger as there would be so much visibility. Would the police in La Manzanil1a provide security for an ATM? There would be a need for an armed guard and if you ask me that is not a change I would like to see in La Manzanilla.
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Posted by David on October 24, 2014, 11:27 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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DUDO'S for Norma!
Police around the clock?
Right..............................................................................................
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Posted by john on October 25, 2014, 12:52 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Norma means that there would be an armed guard necessary in Canada....
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Posted by patti on October 25, 2014, 2:01 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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is there an armed guard in Malaque,,,24 hour police,,,? just wondering why it is safe there and not here, if you feel so unsafe that you wouldnt use an atm, why would you want to live here,? just wondering.
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Posted by David on October 25, 2014, 4:23 pm, in reply to "ATM La Manz."
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Automated Tourist Machine......just like home....HMMMMM
I need to buy some food ATM?
I need some smokes and a coke ATM?
WOW! I forgot I need more MONey! ATM?
We love that " MACHINE".........
It's SO "WONDERFUL">>>>>>>>>>>>>$$$$$$$$
I can think about a
thousand things to use it for!
Who's that guy across the street with a cell phone?
I just got a whack of cash! I'm nervous. Why is
that other guy looking at me ?
Hurry, Get in car!
Wait a minute!
He must want some ATM MONEY too!
I can't live with out it!!!!!!
It just gives me goose bumps when I think I need
that "Automated Tourist Machine!!!!
I can't LIVE without it!
It reminds me just like HOME, That fuzzy
 feeling...HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMo
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Posted by Norma on October 25, 2014, 5:21 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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John, I was all set to be bothered by your quip, but decided it was kind of a low blow. It really does hurt us as Canadians that as a result of our government joining US bombing missions against ISIS, that we are now targets! Thanks a lot, Harper!
As far as my concerns about ATM, I believe Dave said it all and I very rarely agree with him!
I love La Manzanilla and I like living simply! And, yes, I would like to stop it from becoming like Barra and Melaque. Where I live the other half of the year, there is an ATM at the store. The store is hardly ever open. The ATM has been here 10 years and I have never used it!
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Posted by Erin on October 25, 2014, 6:16 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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I think it will be available for those who really need it, it is not like it brings the negative side to every community. Presently, there are those who hoard to much cash so they will not run out or those who just carry around with them too much, now they can obtain it as they need it. ATM's are a part of life, they are a convenience not necessarily a necessity. I suspect we should allow it to be tried as I am sure, if there are unwanted issues, it will be removed and life will continue as before.
For those who think that LM will never change, get a grip, that is only wishful thinking. There are many positives that have come to our community through the efforts of many, people have embraced many of them (organized baseball, an ambulance, regular policing, paved streets, internet, improved street lighting just to name a few), so take a deep breath and lets see what happens to the new ATM???)
We are looking forward to returning in November once again just to embrace LM and its lifestyle.
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Posted by neal on October 25, 2014, 6:50 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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OK I'll weigh in here though I hesitate as last time I got my wrist slapped.
An ATM is just a vending machine that sells paper currency. At some point some business people will decide the reward out weighs the risk and they won't care if the gringos want it or not.
I don't like to leave town and don't feel particularly safe carrying a week or twos worth of cash back from Melaque on the bus.
That's my 2 cents
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Posted by David on October 26, 2014, 3:52 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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What we need "NEXT" is "Parking Meters"?
Just think, The money could go to All those "Charity Drives".
It also could help Defray some of the High Property/Land taxes to help home owners.
PROJECT AFTER PROJECT:
The town could prosper All the way around.
All sorts of jams and jellies could be spread around......
A plethora of derivatives.....
Just think how we
all would be benefiting ..............$$
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Posted by Pablo on October 26, 2014, 8:42 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Erin... again another sensible and reasoned voice in this discussion (not like some of the really unhelpful drivel offered here). Couldn't agree with you more about the further progress that's a-comin'. My thoughts had followed a similar vein in a previous post. I think a lot seem to suffer from the "chicken little/the sky is falling" syndrome, or to switch fairy tales, that progress dresses up like the big, bad wolf. Okay, that's probably a little harsh I admit, but sometimes it sounds like a flock of squawking "Lindsay Grahams". There's many of them I suspect not would be in LM now if they didn't have the internet. And it could surely be argued that that was the main thing that put LM on the map, that got it "discovered" and which in turn brought in all of you who loved it so much you told everyone and oops... looks like you cc'd "progress" on that, too. And now, of course, the locals are so completely addicted to progress, but are probably secretly pining for the old days (I was there) when there was almost no money at all in town, when many of the young men had to leave to find work in California, when the main street was a muddy shit-hole most of time with (much more) open, running sewage, when there was one phone in town that was only available for an hour around sunset, one nurse in town... okay enough...
But maybe Patti is conversely right? That an ATM, when it comes, WILL "weed out the weak", i.e. those that can't handle it. And who, I must assume, will start to leave in droves before the unabated muggings start. However, I'm thinking that this might be a good time to look for the real estate opportunities that will surely present themselves. So that's in November, verdad? Daniel, prepare yourself, stock up on more of your favourite "liquid agave", cuz yer gonna be busy, boy! I'll be looking for listings when we arrive in February.
Now just imagine the uproar and horror when an enterprising local decides to try an OXXO franchise. I shudder... HOUSE FOR SALE!!
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Posted by helga on October 26, 2014, 11:25 am, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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David: think about all the armed guards beside the parking meters...
Pablo: LOL you spoke from my heart.
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Posted by Larry on October 26, 2014, 1:55 pm, in reply to "Re: ATM La Manz."
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Given the lack of a bank here, there will likely never be an ATM. But, as local businesses slowly start to come into compliance with the new tax laws, I think you'll see more opting to get credit card services. That's a whole other topic for the cynics to debate, but it will happen as the "world changes."
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